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MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« on: May 09, 2007, 05:41:15 AM »
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 08:01:01 PM »
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 12:07:03 AM »


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read from sunday divaina.so thought of posting this here as well
 
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 08:56:50 AM »
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Totaly agree. But MiG 29 may not be the correct weapon system to annihilate Air Tigers. (my openion. I'm sure the Air Force top brass is more qualified than me in these matters).
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 09:07:25 AM »


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read from sunday divaina.so thought of posting this here as well
 



Totaly disagree. These flights were offered between 2002 to 2004. So money saved during the last 3 years should be sufficient to upgrade all our aircrafts for multirole and all weather functions. (Simple mathematics). Lets face it. Our inteligence, Air Brass and the Political leadership failed to understand what few grasshoppers can achive with dedicated crews. Now do our best to face a bad situation without blamming it on CFA or the UNP.
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 09:22:57 AM »
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Totaly agree. But MiG 29 may not be the correct weapon system to annihilate Air Tigers. (my openion. I'm sure the Air Force top brass is more qualified than me in these matters).

Sinhala & English Translations Included..


Yes Dear Weli,
100% Agreed To Your Comment....
We Have To Think About A Weapon That Strongest more Than MIG-29....
It's Like "American F17, C117, Apachi, BlackHawk Or Cobra" Typed Weapons With Air Strike & Buncker Busted Bombing Capabilities....
The Buncker Busted Bombs Can Break Any Kind Of Concrete Bunckers Underground..

And, We May Need "Multi Functional Radar System" Which Can Be Connected By Israeli OPEC Satellite...

P.S:
These Solutions Will Be Effected Only For "Millitary War" Against The Terrorists..


Thanx/
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 01:56:35 PM »
MiG 29  Nato Code :Fulcrum

Primary Function:   Multi-role fighter
Contractor:   Mikoyan-Gurevich
Crew:   One
Unit Cost:   N/A
Powerplant
    Two Klimov/Sarkisov RD-33 turbofans at 18,298 afterburning pounds of thrust each
Dimensions
Length:   56 feet and 10 inches
Wingspan:   37 feet and 3.25 inches
Height:   15 feet and 6.2 inches
Weights
Empty:   24,030 pounds
Maximum Takeoff:   40,785 lb (18500 kg) -- Fulcrum-A
Performance
Speed:   Mach 2.3 (1,520 mph)
Ceiling:   55,775 ft (17000 m) -- Fulcrum-A
Range:   932 miles (810 nm / 1500 km) with internal fuel -- Fulcrum-A
Armament
    One 30mm GSh-301 cannon with 150 rounds, Six AAMs including a mix of SARH and AA-8 Aphid (R60), AA-10 Alamo (R27T), AA-11 Archer, (R73), FAB 500-M62, FAB-1000, TN-100, ECM Pods, S-24, AS-12, AS-14


MiG-29 Fulcrum Achievements
•   The MiG-29 Fulcrum is Russia's most important tactical fighter and is said to equal or surpass the F-15 Eagle.



I haven’t seen any official announcement of the impending qty 05 MiG 29 purchase by the government which The Nation newspaper reported last Sunday. This news was picked up by an Indian Defense Web. Now most news agencies including Sinhalaya quote this Indian Defense Web. Wikipedia has already added 5 MiG 29 to Sri Lankan Air Force fleet. So there must be some truth in this story.

The current rate of a used but fully serviceable and upgraded MiG 29 is about US $ 15 million. But depending on the upgrades and serviceability these can be picked for anything between US $ 5 to 15 Millions. 2 MiG 29’s were purchased by private collector Don Kirlin for US $ 50,000 (each) without avionics from the Kyrgyzstan.

Although developed in parallel to Sukhoi Su 27, as an air superiority interceptor to counter F15 Eagles & F 16 Fighting Falcons threat, initial development by Mikoyan - Gurevich design bureau was for a point defense air superiority role. Later versions (MiG 29 S) came in combined multi role configurations. Some MiG 29’s sold to Warsaw Pact countries (only) held tactical nuclear capabilities. These were not sold outside Warsaw but are available in the open market from former Russian Federation sources. US Air Force purchased 21 in 1997 from Moldovan Republic for evaluation and analysis.

Flying above 2.3 mach with a very short range (initial development was for a point defense role) these may not be the ideal, to dispose Air Tigers. (A cheaper all weather multi role Turbo Props in greater numbers with Search & Destroy missions will help to break the LTTE backbone in both air and sea. It is much easier to kill a monkey with a sub machine gun than with a 120 mm connon. – Polonga’s analysis)

Hope the deal will materialize before any more disasters, and the finances are done thru government to government channels without the interference of outside parties, which raise many eye brows these days.
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 01:41:44 AM »
What makes you think the Fulcrums are only sought to bring down the Air tigers?

If so SLAF would have chosen the basic fulcrum - the MIG29B for a much much more cheaper price. As was released to the public the assets the SLAF has earmarked are the multirole MIG29SM variant.

In my opinion this whole fiasco came to being after Mr. Athas made a blunder in one of his reports where he kept on highlighting that SLAF NEVER had the MIG21 in its inventory when all the time since the early 1990s it was in the form of the Chinese F7. Mr. Athas as I highighted above thinks SLAF's interest in the MIG29 was to replace the MIG27 flogger, which is clearly not the case. Why would SLAF want to replace the highly effective MIG27, which was bought only December 2006? What SLAF has said was its need to replace the phased out MIG21 (Chinese F-7) with the MIG29.

The F-7BS's primary mission was air-combat and was never a genuine ground attack aircraft. Here's why...

The wing structure is a straight delta design. This makes it poor for CAS (Close air support) to fly in low and fast to engage the enemy. Flying low is quite important for an aircraft especially if its carrying unguided dumb munitions. Further to add the F7BS lacked a radar and depended on a simple ballistic optical gunsight for weapons delivery. The result was horrendous accuracy resulting in considerable flak for poor target acquisition. Plus civilian casualties were high.

The MIG27 is far more superior in this regard. It is a dedicated low-level ground-attack aircraft thanks to the variable geometry wing (swing wing). This offers excellent low speed manoeuvrability and handling essential for low alti deep penetration bombing missions. The average flight envelope of the Kfirs which is 4000m achieving CEPs of around 10-20m. This is sufficient in accuracy for stationary targets such as buildings, ammo dumps, fuel depots, boat yards etc. But when targeting artillery, mortar and troop formations this level of accuracy, suffice to say is quite insufficient. For such mobile targets you really need low altitude deep penetration bombing runs whcih is exactly the MIG27 currently in SLAF's arsenal doing. They are known to fly as low as 300m.

Since the early 2000 the LTTE fast turned itself into an conventional force. The great majority of SLA losses during the failed Jayasikurui offensive was due to Heavy mortar attacks by the LTTE.

Mortars cause highest Jayasikurui casualties

By that time the SLA/SLAF had no answer on how to neutralise these indirect fire. By 2001 when the MIG27s were brought in the scenario changed. The results were spectacular. By this time the LTTE was being hit quite hard and issued an official demand such raids be stopped as a precondition for peace talks.

Also to note the IAF too are calling in tenders to replace its ageing MIG-21 fleet. The contenders include the Boeing F-18, Lockheed Martin F-16, MiG Corp MiG-35, Swedish Gripen International (SAAB Group) Jas-39, Typhoon Eurofighter and the French Dassault Rafale. If we go with Mr. Athas's claim then IAF should be replacing its MIG27 fleet NOT the MIG21 fleet.
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 02:18:59 AM »
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Totaly agree. But MiG 29 may not be the correct weapon system to annihilate Air Tigers. (my openion. I'm sure the Air Force top brass is more qualified than me in these matters).

Sinhala & English Translations Included..


Yes Dear Weli,
100% Agreed To Your Comment....
We Have To Think About A Weapon That Strongest more Than MIG-29....
It's Like "American F17, C117, Apachi, BlackHawk Or Cobra" Typed Weapons With Air Strike & Buncker Busted Bombing Capabilities....
The Buncker Busted Bombs Can Break Any Kind Of Concrete Bunckers Underground..

And, We May Need "Multi Functional Radar System" Which Can Be Connected By Israeli OPEC Satellite...

P.S:
These Solutions Will Be Effected Only For "Millitary War" Against The Terrorists..


Thanx/
- Millitary WeBBy

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American weaponry you have mentioned will NEVER be available to Lankan Armed forces, period. When the SLAF looked into procuring a CAS aircraft to counter the ever growing threat of LTTE indirect fire, one of the short listed aircraft was the A-10 thunderbolt. Given the rugged terrain and the theatre of operations in general this indeed is a very well suited platform for COIN operations and certainly deserved to be short listed. However, this wasn't available to SLAF due to American policy.

Given the crisis purchase at the time (2000), SLAF opted for the MIG27 as its CAS aircraft. An advantage of it was it came as a wet deal. In layman's terms, it means it came with Ukranian technicians and pilots for a contracted period till Sri Lankan counterparts were type-certified. :-)
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 09:53:12 AM »
I too believe that A 10 Thunder Bird to be the best for our Air Force, not only because of ability to punish, but also the amount of punishment it can receive. I once saw a video of one A 10 landing with 2/3rds of its Rudder short off during the Iraq war. But what about ground attack aircrafts of an earlier era with advanced avionics? These could be made available if we search at the right places.

Mig 29s are to replace F -7s. Ok. Do we really require replacing our fleet of F 7s or do we actually need an air superior role with F7? We all know that Tiger threat can be neutralized by low tech ground attack aircrafts or helicopters with minimal air to air & all weather capabilities. Why spend Millions (if not Billions) on Aircrafts that we do not need to win the Tiger War. Is it to counter an Indian Air Drop or to satisfy our own personal egos?

Sometimes I wonder what happened to the Tigers shoulder fired SAM missiles. They used them very effectually during the Elam War III, but we haven’t seen them in action after the ceasefire. One even brought down a plane piloted by current Air Force Commander’s brother. Did the batteries run off during the ceasefire and replacements not available?
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2007, 06:22:38 PM »
Continuing the topic, another shortlisted aircraft was the Su-25 FROGFOOT which is similar to the A-10 in its operational capabilities and average flight envelopes. Although debatable, at the time SLAF felt this was not suited for the CAS role since it perceived the aircraft was vulnerable to MANPAD threats due to its limited speed and manoeuvrability envelope. Despite the Su-25 being an excellent CAS platform, if one takes into account crew/technician training, availability of spares and necessary support infrastructure, and the fact that the Su-25 is a bit more expensive than the MiG-27M - the MiG was a better option for the SLAF.

The A10 warthog/thunderbolt like you say is exceptionally forgiving and can absorb battle damage up to a high point that servicemen tend to refer it to an airborne tank. The standout on how battle hardy this platform is seen by Capt Kim Cambell's CAS mission over Baghdad in 2003 during the allied campaign. Her A-10 came under extreme flak damage that disabled one of the engines and crippled its hydraulic system This meant she did not have the luxury of the back-up mechanical system to operate the aircraft's stabilizer and flight controls. Despite this, she managed to fly it for over an hour and land it safely at the air base in manual mode.

This the hallmark of any CAS aircraft, hence the MIG27 flogger too can boast of absorbing  exceptionally similar battle damage.

Let me give examples of the theatre of the Sri Lankan conflict. On one occasion in late 2000 a flogger with a flight envelope as low as 75m was engaging LTTE mortar points with its S-24 240mm rockets. A fragment from the explosion of a S-24 pierced the entire engine compressor assembly. Despite this the pilot managed to keep the R-29B-300 turbojet working for some 25 minutes after the hit and managed to make an emergency landing at the ANURADHAPURA base. The damaged engine was replaced in one day without using any specialised tools or manuals and returned to active service.

Another similar incident in 2001. A S-24  fragment pierced a hole in the integral wing fuel tank. The pilot had to return to base, and the hole was patched up using makeshift patching technology and returned to active service.

Coming to the Fulcrum need, despite the severe financial constraints on Sri Lanka as a whole the current SLAF commander and the former SLAF commander, who holds the top most military post of the Sri Lankan rank structure support the procurement of the fulcrum. As I mentioned in the previous post, if the SLAF felt a dire need to procure the fulcrum just to bring the LTTE aircraft down, a basic fulcrum would have been suffice. But the MIG29SM multirole variant being earmarked suggests other possible uses of this platform ie - superior payload, superior PGMs, superior loiter time.

Only time will tell.  Meanwhile it is heartening to know SLAF has looked into other options of air interception if the MIG29SM deal does not go through. Recently it was revealed to the public that SLAF has earmarked the Chinese F-7G which is an up-todate version of the F-7BS in SLAF's inventory.

I will post another account as to why the LTTE has run dry of MANPADs on a later date.

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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 12:05:12 PM »


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thats from divaina news paper
I'm not good in analyzing   the current situation but I'm really interested in reading all your vast knowledge about war weaponry.
What are Kavot helicopters and what good can it add ?

 
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2007, 07:08:27 PM »
Sigiri,

I think this particular article means the famed Russian Ka-50 black shark attack helicopters. Its manufacturer is Kamov design Bureau. It is probably a case of incorrect spelling or prounounciation.

Strictly speaking, I think it is only an offer. Following the aftermath of the ANURADHAPURA attack many allies have offered to help the GOSL with its cutting edge technology. This is just one example.

But given the fact that SLAF have plenty of type certified pilots/gunners/Technicians/spares/armaments and other necessary infrastructure to support the MI24V/MI35P hind gunships, personally I dont think SLAF needs this particular rotary wing platform. The HIND gunships has been a good workhorse for the SLAF over the years. Necessary upgrades have been carried out to these over the last few years up to a point that pilots in some of the gunships does not no longer need Line of Sight (LOS) to engage the enemy. In military parlance it is called BVR - Beyond Visual Range.

Furthermore there is 'word' that SLAF are investing on a facility to carry out complete overhaul of its Gunships on Sri Lankan soil. They already do complete overhauls for its Bell 212s. This is a good investment in my opinion. Can save a lot of foreign currency. This also highlights that SLAF are currently quite happy to carry on with its current gunship options.
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 07:47:17 PM »
Ah thanx sierra, machan
so its kamov, well thanx for correcting me,
anyway, u guys should atleast take some time and write correct military news in world wide web . Otherwise those pro Ltte websites take the lead.
imagine the damage they cause by promoting false news on war and military status of srilanka
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 04:21:08 PM »
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to the Tigers shoulder fired SAM missiles. They used them very effectually during the Elam War III, but we haven’t seen them in action after the ceasefire.

MANPADs are pretty much active. The reason them not making headlines is the fact that SLAF have managed to remove its sting by making necessary upgrades, modifications to flight envelopes and overall tactics. Another being the inability of the Tamil Tiger's to lay their hands on 2nd or 3rd generation MANPADs.

The Tamil Tigers has thus far used SA-7 grail, SA-14 gremlin, FIM-92A stinger and HN-5 missiles against the SLAF. The CIA warned the its Sri Lankan conterparts that the LTTE receiving some stocks of SA-7's between 2003 and 2004. According to the CIA estimates the LTTE during one time possessed SA-7, S-14, FIM-92A and Hongying-5.

In 2003 the G8 summit at Evian and the APEC summit at Bangkok - the member countries agreed to put in place more stringent measures to confront MANPAD proliferation among violent non-state actors. This was after an Israeli passenger aircraft was fired at using 2 Soviet SA-7 first generation SAMs over the skies of Mombasa.

Since then the US government established regulations forcing recipients of US MANPADs to accept vigorous controls over them. Recipients were required to provide proof of missile existence and submit to periodic inspections to verify status. Among other things were sting operations. The Russians took similar measures. Defence Ministry halted the sale and transfer of (SA-14/16/18) missiles within the CIS and Baltic region and enforced strict regulations and policing criteria.

Even though the control over advanced MANPADs has been some what of a success, the same cannot be said of the first generation SA-7s. Prices for an SA-7 missile can be as low as US$5,000. Sadly, the sheer numbers of MANPADS produced by Soviet-bloc states during the Cold War has made it very difficult to produce an accurate assessment of how many weapons may be available. One estimate talks of `tens of thousands' of SA-7 missiles in circulation. The same applies to the vast numbers made available courtesy of the CIA to the Afghan Mujahideen. It is said that some 200 are still at large despite the CIA and the Pentagon's programmes to buy them back. But the expected quantum has still not been recovered.

Another interesting point to note is the LTTE's desire to acquire IR-guided anti tank weapons. This serves as a dual purpose weapon to engage ground targets as well as airborne targets. This is a crude alternative with the backdrop of the current worldwide crackdown on MANPAD proliferation and the Tiger's inability in procuring meaningful quantities of 2nd or 3rd generation MANPADs. Similar methods have been employed by the Iraqi insurgents against the USAF with varying degrees of success. The method is to engage one aircraft with at least a salvo of 5. But still current flight guard systems should be suffice to negate this threat.

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Did the batteries run off during the ceasefire and replacements not available?

This is one popular misconception. While bearing in mind that MANPAD batteries have a finite shelf life, these can be replaced with commercially purchased batteries available on the open market and anyone with a sound technical proficiency should be able to construct hybrid batteries to replace used ones. The Tamil Tigers are never short of such cadre.

Strictly speaking the shelf life of MANPADs is, in large part, dependent on the conditions in which the weapon is stored. Not only the batteries that are in risk of deterioration, but missile propellants, seeker coolant too runs the risk of deterioration with time. Usually such missiles are hermetically sealed by the manufacturer and takes into consideration the rough handling by soldiers in the field. However, the SAMs the security forces have captured thus far suggests that these endure poor storage conditions, which sheds light that these MANPADs are indeed are second or third hand acquisitions.

Provided that ideal manufacturer specified conditions exist, some versions of these weapons have been know to remain operational for 22 years or more. :)

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One even brought down a plane piloted by current Air Force Commander’s brother.

Yes, this was one those unfortunate incidents. I think he was flying CR834 or CR835. He was flying to PALALY to enquire the crash the day earlier. It was his frantic last minute calls "missile! missile!" that first shed light that the LTTE had ignited the war again using MANPADs. Incidently the SA-7s used by the Tamil Tigers on those two aircraft were acquired directly from the Pakistani Inter Services Agency.

Thus far using MANPADs the LTTE have managed to bring down only SLAF transports and MI24s. The LTTE is yet to bring down any SLAF Mig-27 or Kfir fighters. MANPADs nowdays are highly ineffective against low level fast jets. Even without proper counter measures in place the hit probability is said to be around 40%. Even if we consider the Afghan conflict which brought MANPADs to notoriety, the Mujahideen only managed to bring down only MI24 gunships and Su25 Frogfoots (compare my earlier reply as to why SLAF opted out the Frogfoot). The Mujahideen failed to bring down any of the MIG27s that was in full swing during that conflict.

As you have observed, yes, SLAF did lose a considerable number of aircraft due to MANPADs in the late 1990s and early 2000. The reasons being the LTTE to be in possesion of a large quantity of MANPADs and SLAF's incompetency to safe guard its aircraft with effective countermeasures. By 2000 only a handful of SLAF Mi-35P and Mi-24V Hind helicopters were equipped with IAI/Elta Flight Guard systems. The MI17 transports however had the Flight Guards installed as early as 1997.

The results? One notable example where we lost two great pilots- Sq Ldr Thilina Kaluarachchi and Flying officer Dhanesh Gunasekara on 10th November 1997. A formation of SLAF helicopters was fired by a salvo of five SA-14 SAMs. The three Mi-17s in the 'pack' were fitted with flight guard, and escaped unscathed saving 90 troops and 12 crew. But the escorting Mi-24 (CH619) with kaluarachchi onboard had the Sirena 3M system. This is far more cheaper obsolete version. It is a manually operated anti-missile system.

This incident was a heart warming incident. Even though F/O Dhanesh made it out unscathed from the wreckage (crashed onto water), he stayed behind to save his 'guru' Kaluarachchi who was sinking fast with the wreck. Unfortunately he didn't make it and sacrificed his own life in that endure.

Now however, all MI24/35s of SLAF are equipped with the flight guard system. And the results are quite notable.

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SLAF MIG-29 Fulcrum Starting Attacks..! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2008, 02:48:11 AM »
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2008, 10:53:11 AM »
Somehow I missed Sierra's last post till today. Thanks for a very informative article.

MiG 29 Fulcrum is a very good aircraft and Indian Air Force too uses it. I have heard that it is nick named “Widow Maker” in some Indian quarters. ?
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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2008, 02:34:12 PM »
Dear Sir,
I need to know from you that, can you roughly tell me how much MIG-29's has indian airforce currently? as per my records, there are 60 aircrafts.... but it should increase more than 60..

also, just tell me that, mig-27, mig-29, F7 or Kafirs operating on a separated run way (airforce) or existing passenger craft's run way at bandaranaike airport?

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Somehow I missed Sierra's last post till today. Thanks for a very informative article.

MiG 29 Fulcrum is a very good aircraft and Indian Air Force too uses it. I have heard that it is nick named “Widow Maker” in some Indian quarters. ?

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Re: MIG-29 Fighters Into The Attack Soon...! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 09:12:05 AM »
Indian Air Force ordered 50 MiG 29's in 1980 initially and added on to this over the year. Current (2008) figure is 69 operational MiG 29's.


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Re: SLAF MIG-29 Fulcrum Starting Attacks..! [Sinhala News]
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2008, 07:07:22 PM »
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mmmm, very incorrect.

News about the deal was put out at the beginning of the year. Since then inspecting the proposed acquisitions, flight testing, necessary upgrades, Re-painting to SLAF's low tone grey camouflage takes time.

This is August 08 now, and still a tad bit early to see the fulcrums roar over Sri Lankan air space.

When they are here you will all know :-)

Weli_polonga,

You are welcome.